Comments on: KATHY - meat lovers beware! our taste buds have been contaminated http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/10/29/kathy-meat-lovers-beware-our-taste-buds-have-been-contaminated/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:03:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: kathyescobar http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/10/29/kathy-meat-lovers-beware-our-taste-buds-have-been-contaminated/comment-page-1/#comment-159 kathyescobar Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:28:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=47#comment-159 sage - yeah, raw makes me nervous too. pretty & cooked perfectly and in the right portions, that is more manageable<br/><br/>anonymous#1-i agree, when our training & history is so engrained in us it's hard to lean into something different<br/><br/>anonymous#2-love that song! <br/><br/>glenn - thanks for stopping by the refuge blog. i like your posts, too! arrogance has been one of my #1 problems throughout my christian life & i find myself struggling with it now, just in a different way. i can be so damn opinionated & i want to learn to value that there are many ways to skin a cat & i don't have the market cornered. just trying to say "hey, maybe we should consider this, too..."<br/><br/>sam - i feel the dilemma--stay & be honest about where we are coming from or find others who are on the same page & escape the dissonance. it is a tricky dance, no easy answers. just getting kicked out of the system actually made it easier! <br/><br/>john - okay that image says it all...<br/><br/>mike - yep - liver, tripe, tongue & chitlins. maybe we need to develop a taste for it... <br/><br/>thanks for commenting, it makes it so much more interesting!!! love all the thoughts.... sage - yeah, raw makes me nervous too. pretty & cooked perfectly and in the right portions, that is more manageable

anonymous#1-i agree, when our training & history is so engrained in us it’s hard to lean into something different

anonymous#2-love that song!

glenn - thanks for stopping by the refuge blog. i like your posts, too! arrogance has been one of my #1 problems throughout my christian life & i find myself struggling with it now, just in a different way. i can be so damn opinionated & i want to learn to value that there are many ways to skin a cat & i don’t have the market cornered. just trying to say “hey, maybe we should consider this, too…”

sam - i feel the dilemma–stay & be honest about where we are coming from or find others who are on the same page & escape the dissonance. it is a tricky dance, no easy answers. just getting kicked out of the system actually made it easier!

john - okay that image says it all…

mike - yep - liver, tripe, tongue & chitlins. maybe we need to develop a taste for it…

thanks for commenting, it makes it so much more interesting!!! love all the thoughts….

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/10/29/kathy-meat-lovers-beware-our-taste-buds-have-been-contaminated/comment-page-1/#comment-158 Anonymous Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:02:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=47#comment-158 do we really want meat? real meat? i see the meat all over the place,(the refuge is like a butcher shop) but it's not the kind i want. the big juicy steak, the thanksgiving turkey or the christmas ham, that is what we all clamor for. but the true meat of the bible is not that tasty. it's more like liver, tripe, tongue and chitlins. not the fun enjoyable stuff, but the dirty, disgusting food of the marginalized. the food of life. the life in the trenches, with the hurting, homeless, mentally and physically ill, the impoverished, under valued etc. i think that is what Jesus was talking about when He talked about meat. what most of us really want is to nurse on the milk and be spoon fed the gourmet meats, in very small portions, and we turn up our noses when presented the meats we will have to work hard to chew and stomach. i remember, as a child, leaving food on my plate at dinner and then complaining to my parents that i was hungry. hmm somethings don't change all that much.<br/> mike do we really want meat? real meat? i see the meat all over the place,(the refuge is like a butcher shop) but it’s not the kind i want. the big juicy steak, the thanksgiving turkey or the christmas ham, that is what we all clamor for. but the true meat of the bible is not that tasty. it’s more like liver, tripe, tongue and chitlins. not the fun enjoyable stuff, but the dirty, disgusting food of the marginalized. the food of life. the life in the trenches, with the hurting, homeless, mentally and physically ill, the impoverished, under valued etc. i think that is what Jesus was talking about when He talked about meat. what most of us really want is to nurse on the milk and be spoon fed the gourmet meats, in very small portions, and we turn up our noses when presented the meats we will have to work hard to chew and stomach. i remember, as a child, leaving food on my plate at dinner and then complaining to my parents that i was hungry. hmm somethings don’t change all that much.
mike

]]> By: John http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/10/29/kathy-meat-lovers-beware-our-taste-buds-have-been-contaminated/comment-page-1/#comment-157 John Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:04:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=47#comment-157 "Where was the tofu? Yeah, that sure was a good seven point sermon but I wish it had more tofu to it."-- #12 on the "Things you don't ever hear after church" list.<br/><br/>Meat! That's what I want and lots of it. Not regular 8oz serving size either, I'm talking the kind they serve in Texas. I want that 8lb steak that you get for free if you can eat it in one sitting. Tofu is for liberal wiennies. Meat makes your blood red and a full head of hair like Ronald Regan.<br/><br/>Meat is biblical. Jesus is the Lion of Judah and lions eat meat. As a matter of fact lions can eat 50lbs of meat in one sitting. (they also sleep 20 hours a day)<br/><br/>We should set up the front of the church like a butcher shop where meat is hung from big hooks. Kathy and Karl could wear aprons and wield clevers around like spirtual butchers. <br/><br/>John Wayne had 12 lbs of undigested meat in his colon when he died. I don't know about you but as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't get any more american/religious than that!<br/><br/>john “Where was the tofu? Yeah, that sure was a good seven point sermon but I wish it had more tofu to it.”– #12 on the “Things you don’t ever hear after church” list.

Meat! That’s what I want and lots of it. Not regular 8oz serving size either, I’m talking the kind they serve in Texas. I want that 8lb steak that you get for free if you can eat it in one sitting. Tofu is for liberal wiennies. Meat makes your blood red and a full head of hair like Ronald Regan.

Meat is biblical. Jesus is the Lion of Judah and lions eat meat. As a matter of fact lions can eat 50lbs of meat in one sitting. (they also sleep 20 hours a day)

We should set up the front of the church like a butcher shop where meat is hung from big hooks. Kathy and Karl could wear aprons and wield clevers around like spirtual butchers.

John Wayne had 12 lbs of undigested meat in his colon when he died. I don’t know about you but as far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t get any more american/religious than that!

john

]]> By: Sam http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/10/29/kathy-meat-lovers-beware-our-taste-buds-have-been-contaminated/comment-page-1/#comment-156 Sam Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:14:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=47#comment-156 Kathy...doesn't seem like you're "validating" their stories...<br/><br/>Ha. Great post Kathy. Lot's off reflection here. It's all a pain in the ass really. Those of us who finally come to this realization that "life" is Bible in the flesh/meat, we bang our heads against the wall trying to invite our brothers and sisters to join us, to take part in life...though they consistently fight to hold on, and we eventually choose to leave them be. <br/><br/>For better or worse, we choose to escape into another homogenous group...that's where we are, why we're hanging with you all...we want to retreat. To find our own kind of meat, albeit, from my perspective, a "life giving" meat, not that "other" meat that to me smells more like chicken nuggets. Though when we leave, to find a new home where I can have my "real meat," I've left them with one less family member to stick around and help deal with the family baggage...and in light of that I find myself having a hard time chewing. Kathy…doesn’t seem like you’re “validating” their stories…

Ha. Great post Kathy. Lot’s off reflection here. It’s all a pain in the ass really. Those of us who finally come to this realization that “life” is Bible in the flesh/meat, we bang our heads against the wall trying to invite our brothers and sisters to join us, to take part in life…though they consistently fight to hold on, and we eventually choose to leave them be.

For better or worse, we choose to escape into another homogenous group…that’s where we are, why we’re hanging with you all…we want to retreat. To find our own kind of meat, albeit, from my perspective, a “life giving” meat, not that “other” meat that to me smells more like chicken nuggets. Though when we leave, to find a new home where I can have my “real meat,” I’ve left them with one less family member to stick around and help deal with the family baggage…and in light of that I find myself having a hard time chewing.

]]> By: glenn http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/10/29/kathy-meat-lovers-beware-our-taste-buds-have-been-contaminated/comment-page-1/#comment-155 glenn Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:12:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=47#comment-155 Kathy- Insightful article! I heard that call for "the meat of the word" through my years as a pastor. Often it came from some rather narrow, mean-spirited people, which makes one wonder. You nailed it. Jesus is about changing us and showing his love to others, not turning us into arrogant people who understand the bible. Kathy- Insightful article! I heard that call for “the meat of the word” through my years as a pastor. Often it came from some rather narrow, mean-spirited people, which makes one wonder. You nailed it. Jesus is about changing us and showing his love to others, not turning us into arrogant people who understand the bible.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/10/29/kathy-meat-lovers-beware-our-taste-buds-have-been-contaminated/comment-page-1/#comment-154 Anonymous Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:08:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=47#comment-154 Your own personal jesus<br/>Someone to hear your prayers<br/>Someone who cares<br/>Your own personal jesus<br/>Someone to hear your prayers<br/>Someone whos there<br/><br/>Feeling unknown<br/>And youre all alone<br/>Flesh and bone<br/>By the telephone<br/>Lift up the receiver<br/>Ill make you a believer<br/><br/>Take second best<br/>Put me to the test<br/>Things on your chest<br/>You need to confess<br/>I will deliver<br/>You know Im a forgiver<br/><br/>Reach out and touch faith<br/>Reach out and touch faith<br/><br/>Your own personal jesus...<br/><br/>Feeling unknown<br/>And youre all alone<br/>Flesh and bone<br/>By the telephone<br/>Lift up the receiver<br/>Ill make you a believer<br/><br/>I will deliver<br/>You know Im a forgiver<br/><br/>Reach out and touch faith<br/><br/>Your own personal jesus<br/><br/>Reach out and touch faith Your own personal jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who cares
Your own personal jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone whos there

Feeling unknown
And youre all alone
Flesh and bone
By the telephone
Lift up the receiver
Ill make you a believer

Take second best
Put me to the test
Things on your chest
You need to confess
I will deliver
You know Im a forgiver

Reach out and touch faith
Reach out and touch faith

Your own personal jesus…

Feeling unknown
And youre all alone
Flesh and bone
By the telephone
Lift up the receiver
Ill make you a believer

I will deliver
You know Im a forgiver

Reach out and touch faith

Your own personal jesus

Reach out and touch faith

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/10/29/kathy-meat-lovers-beware-our-taste-buds-have-been-contaminated/comment-page-1/#comment-153 Anonymous Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:17:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=47#comment-153 Being raised in a Christian family, I think that the hard part is that this is the way that I’ve been trained and it’s difficult to go against that grain. Somewhere along the way, I’ve been taught that bible knowledge is “meat” and trumps all. If you can’t recite it then somehow, you’re less than adequate. I feel like I remember talking about missionaries, inviting people to church, and spreading the word, but I don’t remember that including actually hanging out and being with the poor, lost, and broken, or that I was ever poor, lost, or broken for that matter. In retrospect, something was definitely missing… Being raised in a Christian family, I think that the hard part is that this is the way that I’ve been trained and it’s difficult to go against that grain. Somewhere along the way, I’ve been taught that bible knowledge is “meat” and trumps all. If you can’t recite it then somehow, you’re less than adequate. I feel like I remember talking about missionaries, inviting people to church, and spreading the word, but I don’t remember that including actually hanging out and being with the poor, lost, and broken, or that I was ever poor, lost, or broken for that matter. In retrospect, something was definitely missing…

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/10/29/kathy-meat-lovers-beware-our-taste-buds-have-been-contaminated/comment-page-1/#comment-152 Anonymous Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:53:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=47#comment-152 Wow Kathy- strong post.<br/>I used to like it medium well- not too threatening.<br/>Closer to raw makes me nervous. I am more aware of my actual mortality, more aware of sacrifice, and the place I inhabit that way.<br/>ooo.<br/><br/>Sage Wow Kathy- strong post.
I used to like it medium well- not too threatening.
Closer to raw makes me nervous. I am more aware of my actual mortality, more aware of sacrifice, and the place I inhabit that way.
ooo.

Sage

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