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	<title>Comments on: KARL - I am a Sh**ty Christian</title>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this was refreshing to read. I can so relate. Just found this blog, and look forward to reading through older posts, as well. It is incredible to know that God HAS brought others to the same point that we are at... even locally! Helps me to not feel so alone in my sh**tiness... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this was refreshing to read. I can so relate. Just found this blog, and look forward to reading through older posts, as well. It is incredible to know that God HAS brought others to the same point that we are at&#8230; even locally! Helps me to not feel so alone in my sh**tiness&#8230; <img src='http://blog.therefugeonline.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gray</title>
		<link>http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/08/22/karl-i-am-a-shty-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've known Karl for 20 years and he's always been a sh**ty Christian which is why I've loved him for 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve known Karl for 20 years and he&#8217;s always been a sh**ty Christian which is why I&#8217;ve loved him for 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/08/22/karl-i-am-a-shty-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess if Mother Theresa can admit that she doubted her faith, I can admit as much as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mark 9:24.  "I believe; help me overcome my unbelief."&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sign me up on the non-confident list.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess if Mother Theresa can admit that she doubted her faith, I can admit as much as well.</p>
<p>Mark 9:24.  &#8220;I believe; help me overcome my unbelief.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sign me up on the non-confident list.</p>
<p>Brian</p>
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		<title>By: handling olympus</title>
		<link>http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/08/22/karl-i-am-a-shty-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>handling olympus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>keep being honest, karl.  i love the conversations.&lt;br/&gt;My questions...&lt;br/&gt;do sh**ty christians like good christians?  &lt;br/&gt;are they allowed to hang out together?  would a good christian love a sh**ty christian more than a sh**ty christian would love a good christian?  which one would love God more?&lt;br/&gt;believe me, i'm not asking questions to which i know the answers.  honest questions.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;maybe there are two kinds of christians: 1. those that admit they are sh**ty 2. those that won't admit it&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;which one is billy graham?  haha  try calling BG a sh**ty christian!  that's funny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>keep being honest, karl.  i love the conversations.<br />My questions&#8230;<br />do sh**ty christians like good christians?  <br />are they allowed to hang out together?  would a good christian love a sh**ty christian more than a sh**ty christian would love a good christian?  which one would love God more?<br />believe me, i&#8217;m not asking questions to which i know the answers.  honest questions.</p>
<p>maybe there are two kinds of christians: 1. those that admit they are sh**ty 2. those that won&#8217;t admit it</p>
<p>which one is billy graham?  haha  try calling BG a sh**ty christian!  that&#8217;s funny!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to the shi**y Christians.  That's all I can say!  Love ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to the shi**y Christians.  That&#8217;s all I can say!  Love ya.</p>
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		<title>By: gartenfische</title>
		<link>http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/08/22/karl-i-am-a-shty-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>gartenfische</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a shi**y Christian, too.  We aren't supposed to have all the answers, right, or why would we need God?  Like you, I've learned to embrace a lot of uncertainty.  I think God might like a bit more letting go and less certitude than we sometimes exhibit.  I trust God to lead me where I need to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a shi**y Christian, too.  We aren&#8217;t supposed to have all the answers, right, or why would we need God?  Like you, I&#8217;ve learned to embrace a lot of uncertainty.  I think God might like a bit more letting go and less certitude than we sometimes exhibit.  I trust God to lead me where I need to go.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gyrovague</title>
		<link>http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/08/22/karl-i-am-a-shty-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gyrovague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not to tinkle when I sneeze...now there is a lofty goal, although reading it made me almost do it while laughing!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now in all seriousness, "My grace is sufficient for thee"... that is pretty clear. When you are feeling like a "salty" (I know, my own adjective) and you have sinned yet again...God is there. when you sin by comparing yourself to others...God is there. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bottom line Karl, God is there, dont sweat the rest of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not to tinkle when I sneeze&#8230;now there is a lofty goal, although reading it made me almost do it while laughing!!</p>
<p>Now in all seriousness, &#8220;My grace is sufficient for thee&#8221;&#8230; that is pretty clear. When you are feeling like a &#8220;salty&#8221; (I know, my own adjective) and you have sinned yet again&#8230;God is there. when you sin by comparing yourself to others&#8230;God is there. </p>
<p>Bottom line Karl, God is there, dont sweat the rest of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's interesting that when you were a so-called "good Christian," I was afraid of you.  I knew for a fact that if you knew the truth about me, you would just throw me away--- Write me off.  That happens to be the very  essence of shame.&lt;br/&gt;I feel at ease when you or Kathy or any of our leadership are in the same room.  My life improved exponentially when we burned the measuring stick.  Mind you, I still have an internal measuring stick, but it's going too.&lt;br/&gt;Jesus would definitely approve your message! :0)   Keep grieving the loss of the old life...  &lt;br/&gt;Yup, it sucks.  BAD.  It's worth all the peace though.  &lt;br/&gt;Tami</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that when you were a so-called &#8220;good Christian,&#8221; I was afraid of you.  I knew for a fact that if you knew the truth about me, you would just throw me away&#8212; Write me off.  That happens to be the very  essence of shame.<br />I feel at ease when you or Kathy or any of our leadership are in the same room.  My life improved exponentially when we burned the measuring stick.  Mind you, I still have an internal measuring stick, but it&#8217;s going too.<br />Jesus would definitely approve your message! :0)   Keep grieving the loss of the old life&#8230;  <br />Yup, it sucks.  BAD.  It&#8217;s worth all the peace though.  <br />Tami</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was such a "good Christian" I ended up in therapy and on multiple psych drugs just to get out of bed.  It sure is much scarier to be a Sh***y Christian.  6 years ago, when my "good Christian" world fell apart, I was so mad at God.  I followed all 377 of those rules mentioned above and what did I get?  I screamed at God--"What more do You want? What more can I DO?"  I even was bold enough (or desperate enough) to shout to God "I hate You".  His reply to me........."NOW you are being honest and I can help you.  You don't have to DO anything--just BE".  WOW-major paradigm shift.  Now, 6 years later, I am still struggling with what it means to just BE and not DO.  I still struggle with not being a Pharisee (doer) but just BEing a "daughter of the King".  THAT's a scary phrase.....what does it mean to be the "daughter of the King?"  I tremble just to think what it would mean to truly believe that--deep down inside.  I think I believe it, but I don't FEEL like a "daughter of the King"--I feel like a Sh***y Christian.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I just had this really funny idea.  I should send a copy of this to my old pastor/church.  I wonder what THEY would do with such an idea?  But then, I am crazy, so they wouldn't have to pay too much attention to anything I say, would they?  :):)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was such a &#8220;good Christian&#8221; I ended up in therapy and on multiple psych drugs just to get out of bed.  It sure is much scarier to be a Sh***y Christian.  6 years ago, when my &#8220;good Christian&#8221; world fell apart, I was so mad at God.  I followed all 377 of those rules mentioned above and what did I get?  I screamed at God&#8211;&#8221;What more do You want? What more can I DO?&#8221;  I even was bold enough (or desperate enough) to shout to God &#8220;I hate You&#8221;.  His reply to me&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;NOW you are being honest and I can help you.  You don&#8217;t have to DO anything&#8211;just BE&#8221;.  WOW-major paradigm shift.  Now, 6 years later, I am still struggling with what it means to just BE and not DO.  I still struggle with not being a Pharisee (doer) but just BEing a &#8220;daughter of the King&#8221;.  THAT&#8217;s a scary phrase&#8230;..what does it mean to be the &#8220;daughter of the King?&#8221;  I tremble just to think what it would mean to truly believe that&#8211;deep down inside.  I think I believe it, but I don&#8217;t FEEL like a &#8220;daughter of the King&#8221;&#8211;I feel like a Sh***y Christian.</p>
<p>I just had this really funny idea.  I should send a copy of this to my old pastor/church.  I wonder what THEY would do with such an idea?  But then, I am crazy, so they wouldn&#8217;t have to pay too much attention to anything I say, would they?  :):)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was just saying to a friend last night how for some it takes a paradigm shift to be a part of the refuge.  for me, i have always been a sh**ty christian.  thanks for comming out of the closet, i'm so much less lonely now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was just saying to a friend last night how for some it takes a paradigm shift to be a part of the refuge.  for me, i have always been a sh**ty christian.  thanks for comming out of the closet, i&#8217;m so much less lonely now!</p>
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