Comments on: KARL - I Like Cooking Shows http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/07/02/karl-i-like-cooking-shows/ Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:58:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/07/02/karl-i-like-cooking-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-124 Anonymous Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:36:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=33#comment-124 The Lord tells us that we have a lot of bad ministers pastoring that puts a hault or pastors leaving out the whole FAITH truth. <br/>In Romans it speaks a truth that most of us don't know; baptism is no longer a rule with water- the moment someone speaks to our Heavenly Host and cries out Jesus my Lord, at any tone, without punnishing with what is said, but asking for faith, and sending Him a big gift of thanks and praise, no matter how long it takes to say. that we are acknowled as Children of I Am that the Lord Jesus blessed just for saying i know you are here to Him! The Lord tells us that we have a lot of bad ministers pastoring that puts a hault or pastors leaving out the whole FAITH truth.
In Romans it speaks a truth that most of us don’t know; baptism is no longer a rule with water- the moment someone speaks to our Heavenly Host and cries out Jesus my Lord, at any tone, without punnishing with what is said, but asking for faith, and sending Him a big gift of thanks and praise, no matter how long it takes to say. that we are acknowled as Children of I Am that the Lord Jesus blessed just for saying i know you are here to Him!

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/07/02/karl-i-like-cooking-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-102 Anonymous Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:20:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=33#comment-102 hey buddy the answer is quite simple, why we watch and don't do. watching is oh so easy, but it is so very hard to do. especially, if we don't have any tools. when all you feel you have is a rusty old hammer and a bent screwdriver. (that's what i always thought my tools were compared to those of the professional christian and his black and decker power tools). i've come to believe that the worship and the preaching etc. are not real church. the doing. the hanging with people. being involved in the messiness of real everyday life. unconditional love. grace. that is what real church is to me. i think i'll take the money i was saving to buy the new table saw and go buy some nails and help somebody built a new life with that trusty old hammer of mine.<br/>mike hey buddy the answer is quite simple, why we watch and don’t do. watching is oh so easy, but it is so very hard to do. especially, if we don’t have any tools. when all you feel you have is a rusty old hammer and a bent screwdriver. (that’s what i always thought my tools were compared to those of the professional christian and his black and decker power tools). i’ve come to believe that the worship and the preaching etc. are not real church. the doing. the hanging with people. being involved in the messiness of real everyday life. unconditional love. grace. that is what real church is to me. i think i’ll take the money i was saving to buy the new table saw and go buy some nails and help somebody built a new life with that trusty old hammer of mine.
mike

]]> By: Justin http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/07/02/karl-i-like-cooking-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-98 Justin Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:04:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=33#comment-98 Karl,<br/><br/>Thanks for writing. I agree with you...I love to watch and I often don't do any cooking myself. Participation can be really difficult.<br/><br/>I find that what hinders me from participating is the idol of large buildings, great musical and rhetorical performances on the stage, and the idea that in order to cook, so to speak, I really do need all of the tools that I've spent so many years watching the experts use.<br/><br/>I'm to the point where I think that God must be unknowable, because I can't even read the scripture for myself without first thinking I should consider the Greek, Hebrew, the word for word vs. the phrase by phrase translation, what certain doctrines could be derived vs. opposing doctrines, what the overall context is, the Jewish perspective vs. the Hellenistic one, etc. etc. ad nauseum! I'm not even a seminary student!<br/><br/>I end up feeling quite unworthy to be a participant in the end. And somewhere in the midst of all of this crap we've created around him is Jesus, trying to help me through to him.<br/><br/>Thanks for all that you do. Karl,

Thanks for writing. I agree with you…I love to watch and I often don’t do any cooking myself. Participation can be really difficult.

I find that what hinders me from participating is the idol of large buildings, great musical and rhetorical performances on the stage, and the idea that in order to cook, so to speak, I really do need all of the tools that I’ve spent so many years watching the experts use.

I’m to the point where I think that God must be unknowable, because I can’t even read the scripture for myself without first thinking I should consider the Greek, Hebrew, the word for word vs. the phrase by phrase translation, what certain doctrines could be derived vs. opposing doctrines, what the overall context is, the Jewish perspective vs. the Hellenistic one, etc. etc. ad nauseum! I’m not even a seminary student!

I end up feeling quite unworthy to be a participant in the end. And somewhere in the midst of all of this crap we’ve created around him is Jesus, trying to help me through to him.

Thanks for all that you do.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.therefugeonline.org/2007/07/02/karl-i-like-cooking-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-97 Anonymous Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:01:00 +0000 http://www.blog.therefugeonline.org/blog/?p=33#comment-97 Then do we head toword small groups? Yes IF we do as Jesus told us to do - giving, loving, feeding, clothing, visiting. That is where the habit has to be broken. The habit of seeking exclusive isolation, safety, familiarity. Small groups can do the same thing as big churches - crowded loneliness and small groups within the large group. It is not safe to reach out, to give without expecting something in return, to be present for someone even when they don't meet your expectations, to listen and really hear someone. I don't think we are capable of that as people but I think we are if we allow Christ to move through us in His spirit. We need to fellowship, share, guide, and learn but never to the point of a closed unit. Jesus went with his friends INTO the world. He still is ... if we let Him. Then do we head toword small groups? Yes IF we do as Jesus told us to do - giving, loving, feeding, clothing, visiting. That is where the habit has to be broken. The habit of seeking exclusive isolation, safety, familiarity. Small groups can do the same thing as big churches - crowded loneliness and small groups within the large group. It is not safe to reach out, to give without expecting something in return, to be present for someone even when they don’t meet your expectations, to listen and really hear someone. I don’t think we are capable of that as people but I think we are if we allow Christ to move through us in His spirit. We need to fellowship, share, guide, and learn but never to the point of a closed unit. Jesus went with his friends INTO the world. He still is … if we let Him.

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